Bevan Barton

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Replying to @theoldsparrow (0xd2b45813e53e03bf6bb2cd49b2dd6ba2a46e79e8)

Well I would disagree on there not needing to be mods. If someone put something illegal on the site then sure the one that perpetrated it goes on the block chain and can be found but the front end can be liable for publishing it. There needs to be moderation for that reason.

Forgive me, I meant not to say there shouldn't be mods at all. There's absolutely legal liability to be considered. But enlightening conversation does not always appear beautiful at first glance; I'd rather see encouragement to culture rather than enforcement of culture.

Aug 23, 2018 22:41

Replying to @FatesDeWhynot (0x8fdc07cc76529566bbe2991401541df8b011db61)

I love this quote: "What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist. " - Salman Rushdie Its sad that even researching freedom of speech quotes comes up with ones against freedom of speech.. https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/freedom_of_speech

Thank you! Salman Rushdie has many amazing things to say on the subject of free speech. And he would know well; an entire nation called for him to be murdered merely for his words.

Aug 23, 2018 22:37

Replying to @theoldsparrow (0xd2b45813e53e03bf6bb2cd49b2dd6ba2a46e79e8)

I highly agree with this stance on free speech. It's not a law even if enshrined into law. It's a basic right via our freedom as individuals.

Thank you! I wrote this because I've seen the First Amendment argument several times now, wrt Peepeth's moderation.

I think there are ways to accomplish Peepeth's greater goals without resorting to mods, etc., which may alienate people who can benefit from those goals.

Aug 23, 2018 22:35

Replying to @Bevan (0x30755d3e65c0cf46c35b72d11e52d941c5fc3a3e)

Hey all! Wanted to clarify the politics feature, and discuss moderation on Peepeth: https://youtu.be/N1yi1ip_j_8 Terms of use: https://peepeth.com/a/terms

Regardless, I implore you to consider the diversity of thought you risk alienating. I understand the desire for considered, thoughtful conversation, but there are means to accomplish this without strict moderation, or centralized authority.

Aug 23, 2018 22:18

Replying to @Bevan (0x30755d3e65c0cf46c35b72d11e52d941c5fc3a3e)

Hey all! Wanted to clarify the politics feature, and discuss moderation on Peepeth: https://youtu.be/N1yi1ip_j_8 Terms of use: https://peepeth.com/a/terms

Will you be replacing the text on the dApp library? This seems misleading based on what you've said in this video.

Aug 23, 2018 22:12 Enso 1 Enso

Replying to @strategesis (0x90f59cff0eb6db919f3ec92723ad7ea8580b318c)

And I could not be prouder of them for it.

Aug 23, 2018 21:31

Replying to @Brando (0xa3e5615035ad34cdc2348d5a44ecb22fba18109e)

Excellent. Only rebuttal- We won’t just “figure this out”. We had to fight to GET a first amendment and we are seeing war-level propaganda in 2018. We can’t just sit back and hope it’ll all work out. (Obviously YOU know that.) 🙏❤️

Thank you so much~ The reason I chose to end on "figure this out" was in reference to the President's tweet; daily writing my essays and chronicling the news I do, this is how I fight.

Aug 23, 2018 21:29

@bevan @callmegwei @abcoathup @Fulcrum @Brando @ROMANSTENNINE @talkingtree

I've written an essay regarding free speech. I plead with you all to read it and consider what it says, even if you disagree.

https://sevvie.ltd/essays/stop-conflating-free-speech-first-amendment/

Aug 23, 2018 20:47 Enso 1 Enso

Ideas are like seeds. Burying them does not get rid of them; it only makes them grow hardier and spread roots.

Aug 23, 2018 18:48

Replying to @CallMeGwei (0x285bc660aa42b8effc6c60357cd4d8ca072be625)

If there was an easy to use toggle at the top of the screen for unrolling all Peeps of a certain kind - it would make discussing this issues a little less tedious. Right now, it's requiring a bunch of clicking...

Personally, I would like to see it as opt-in; an option under settings to roll up political, work-unsafe, or both kinds of posts.

But aye, currently, the implementation is very limited, requires a lot of clicking, and does not consider previously-unrolled messages.

Aug 23, 2018 18:28

Replying to @CallMeGwei (0x285bc660aa42b8effc6c60357cd4d8ca072be625)

To anyone upset right now - please put down your pitchforks and help brainstorm solutions. Think out loud - don't just rage out loud. Peepeth is a step in the right direction - and it is committed to continuing stepping in that direction. Peepeth needs your help, ideas, patience

Exactly. I completely understand why people are upset; deplatforming and other forms of suppression have been a growing problem. Hell, I've been QFD'd on Twitter, and shadowbanned on occasions.

They have every right to be upset. But calm discourse will create solutions.

Aug 23, 2018 18:25

As I said in the previous post; if @bevan wants help on this project, I and many others would be more than glad to help him. I understand the closed-source nature of the project as it is now, but open-sourcing the frontend and democratizing development could do wonders.

Aug 23, 2018 18:21

Replying to @balresch (0xd6d48727d8835b73f8dc511a5baaf3445a6f65c9)

Dude, read the peeps and research the tech behind it. This is not censorship and you, @ROMANSTENNINE and a couple of other folks are simply overreacting to a frontend-only tryout-feature of an unfunded project. Calm your shit dudes, wtf. #nsfw #politics #rageonthechain

Respectfully, many people found their way here because the platform presented itself as "unstoppable and uncensorable." Judging their response to a design/development decision they disagree with as "overreacting" is very dismissive.

If Bevan wants help, I want to help him.

Aug 23, 2018 18:19

Replying to @CallMeGwei (0x285bc660aa42b8effc6c60357cd4d8ca072be625)

What if both of those suggested solutions are the wrong approach? What if tagging things isn't the real issue... this is what I think, actually... if we allow the individual control of what flags to see by default - then I think we sidestep tyranny of the algo or of the flaggers.

I agree with this quite a bit. I've been saying it for a while; we should be able to opt-in or opt-out of having nsfw or political posts hidden.

Aug 23, 2018 17:49

My big pupper is super sleepy, as an aside. We took a long walk this morning, and I think it was just as hard on her as it was on me.

Aug 23, 2018 17:32

Replying to @doodlemania (0xa3ffa423140b730c0c2e1cc412a80cc49f125c01)

I agree with your larger point. I know the contracts are OSS already. I heard once upon a time that the author was considering making portions of the front end OSS. Of course, that's for him to decide as the creator.

Certainly. I'm arguing the point because I want to see Peepeth succeed both as a chain and a frontend to that chain, rather than succumbing to fragmentation and bubbles of ideology.

Aug 23, 2018 17:20

Replying to @Jaco (0x2be223f0241577a4fe25df90a7f94cf50721ac26)

I don't see how this is possible once it's been added to the blockchain? You can look through https://peepeth.com/t/politics and see that all peeps (other than replies) have the self-tag. I'd need an example of a post that was marked pol without the tag or as a reply.

This post does not contain the n-s-f-w tag, nor does it reply to an n-s-f-w post. But it is marked as both pol-itics and n-s-f-w. https://peepeth.com/Fulcrum/peeps/QmRjekBsAT8ha3AE6YbjRibE7qz1qStescjNsDx9pgXayP

Aug 23, 2018 17:16

Replying to @doodlemania (0xa3ffa423140b730c0c2e1cc412a80cc49f125c01)

This is true and an excellent example. However, it was also held that private companies can modify their terms to create the community they choose without legal repercussion because that action is also protected/cannot be abridged.

Oh aye. But this is why I am arguing the larger point; if Peepeth wishes to be THE social network on the Ethereum network, it might wish to consider remaining agnostic, and open-sourcing the frontend.

Aug 23, 2018 17:14

Replying to @balresch (0xd6d48727d8835b73f8dc511a5baaf3445a6f65c9)

Sure there are people who are able to do that. I was saying that they are not doing it, not like you described it. This is about creating a friendly environment for all of us, not about taking away your right to have your own opinion.

They did it to @Fulcrum's post. They've done it to @ChiliMac's posts.

Aug 23, 2018 17:11

Replying to @doodlemania (0xa3ffa423140b730c0c2e1cc412a80cc49f125c01)

The right to freedom of speech granted to US citizens from abridged or fear of retaliation by and on behalf of the government. Freedom of speech has A) no applicability to private interactions B) only covers US citizens in communications with US government. (1 of 2)

This presumes that interactions made in public forums are "private interactions." But from the precedent of Marsh v Alabama, the more a corporation opens its private property to public use, the more individual rights circumscribe the corporation's rights.

Aug 23, 2018 17:08

@balresch You're mistaken about one thing; there are people who are able to mark posts as n-s-f-w or pol-itics.

Forgive me for not replying directly to your post, but the infectious nature of that tag is a feature I wish to avoid entirely.

Aug 23, 2018 17:06

Replying to @balresch (0xd6d48727d8835b73f8dc511a5baaf3445a6f65c9)

Is it using similar tactics, though? I think there is a lot of overreaction about a work-in-progress feature on a work-in-progress platform. Which only masks content, but does not hide it completely. And it is transparent! How can this be compared to shadowbanning? I don't get it

I didn't use the word shadowbanning, because I don't see it as shadowbanning.

It is, however, sweeping matters under the rug, and only those matters from one side of the aisle. There have been many peeps of a po-litical nature which are not forceably hidden: Anti-Trump.

Aug 23, 2018 17:01

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

You misrepresent my words. This frontend is currently the primary and only frontend, but if this frontend uses similar tactics to Twitter and Facebook, it is no alternative at all to those driven away from those platforms.

I have seen many peeps with poli-tics of one vain have the cover added to their posts afterward by a third party. But peeps with poli-tics of the opposite vain are not hidden from users.

If the rule is not applied equally, it should not be applied. Besides, we have a mute button

Aug 23, 2018 16:58

Replying to @balresch (0xd6d48727d8835b73f8dc511a5baaf3445a6f65c9)

But this is 'the alternative' right now, isn't it? This platform does not want to cater to everybody. It tries to create a friendly and productive environmentm for like minded peeple - while still being welcome to everybody else.

You misrepresent my words. This frontend is currently the primary and only frontend, but if this frontend uses similar tactics to Twitter and Facebook, it is no alternative at all to those driven away from those platforms.

Aug 23, 2018 16:55

I know what has been said before. "If you don't like it, you can make your own frontend." But this is getting it backwards. If you wish for a frontend that hides from you what you do not like, this should be the alternative and not the primary.

The firehose should be unimpeded.

Aug 23, 2018 16:48

There is a choice that can be made, here. Peepeth can be a chain for social media, or it can be THE chain for social media.

The difference comes by choosing to be agnostic about the content, and trusting people to curate for themselves. If you curate for us, we have no freedom.

Aug 23, 2018 16:45

"Unstoppable and uncensorable," is a dishonest means to market this platform in blurbs on dApp lists.

Defending the decision to hide material because it's not "liked", even n-s-f-w material, when the mute functionality exists, is dangerous precedent.

Think bigger. Be real.

Aug 23, 2018 16:20

If Peepeth isn't careful, it will become another echo-chamber, limited by its idea of what social media "should" be. Denying the unfortunate realities of human interaction, or sweeping them under a rug, will not make things better. // @Fulcrum @Brando

Aug 23, 2018 16:13

Replying to @voyager (0x459948a40918d535407fd49bf2c041d546fc37ae)

You gotta love @qwertee t's https://www.qwertee.com/product/around-the-globe

This line never ceases to put a smile on my face.

Aug 23, 2018 16:06
Aug 23, 2018 15:35

Replying to @sponnet (0x447877f5d22bb91f87a71c71d0270d5ba2ac2040)

https://github.com/sponnet/peepin/tree/fixparser In this branch the peep scanner/iterator already works + I have started to document the IPFS format. Next up: implement the remaining JSON parsers for linking threaded peeps.

You are nothing short of amazing sir. I'll be forking today, to play around. I'd like to add some test coverage in the very least.

Aug 23, 2018 15:20

Replying to @shadhammer (0xda81ed86d0d92312de9653412a8428dedc680ba2)

Interesting video by Luke Rudkowski @WeAreChange and Jeff Berwick about Cheran in Mexico, a town that kicked out the politicians and operates a decentralised economy https://www.bitchute.com/video/r3qRm3sXVRU/

I actually wrote an essay about Cherán earlier this month! It's an amazing place. https://sevvie.ltd/essays/cheran-the-town-that-ousted-the-political-parties/

Aug 23, 2018 08:44

The Michael Cohen Plea: Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing

https://sevvie.ltd/politics/michael-cohen-plea-sound-fury-signifying-nothing/

Aug 23, 2018 08:41

Forgive my quiet today; I've not been feeling that well.

One thing about being ill and remaining still, though; you get the time you need to think at a slow and patient pace. And I have been thinking, thinking quite a bit indeed...

Aug 23, 2018 04:50

Replying to @sponnet (0x447877f5d22bb91f87a71c71d0270d5ba2ac2040)

Let's talk.

It'll have to be in a few hours; I have yet to sleep. But gladly! If we talk, we make a thread I can use for testing purposes ^.^

Aug 22, 2018 10:28

Replying to @Kumaran (0xb197d4a62de6ceb5210d37dceeff72e54b4c5509)

Are you planning to build a alternate front end client for Peepeth?

Not so much a front-end as an interface for displaying and archiving threads. I want to be able to capture and display long conversations for posterity's sake.

Aug 22, 2018 09:51

Replying to @Tia (0x98ea564573de3abd60181df8b491c24c45b77e37)

Hello Peepeth. Nice to see all of you there happy and #decentralized.

Welcome to Peepeth, Tia! Great gif, btw <3

Aug 22, 2018 08:04

Replying to @sponnet (0x447877f5d22bb91f87a71c71d0270d5ba2ac2040)

3rd party JS code that does exactly that: https://github.com/ipfsconsortium/IPFSConsortiumProxy/blob/1be68698d017f951ee094e929675b46550a4d301/src/plugins/peepeth/index.js & an example 'Peepeth Gallery' mashup: http://peepethgallery.web3.party - it's permissionless open data

Thank you for this! I've been putting off a peepeth project because I haven't had the time to attempt to reverse-engineer the frontend myself.

Aug 22, 2018 07:57

As it's the anniversary of Vicki Weaver's death, during the siege of Ruby Ridge, I wrote a twitter thread in remembrance of the story.

https://twitter.com/sevvierose/status/1032135928352043008

Aug 22, 2018 07:22

Replying to @bbh (0x18d70b75d71c9b95d2f4a2b434cd677c33b016e1)

:) And it's not so much the inconvenience of repetitive forms, it's just that they leave off a lot of context/history. There's a single checkbox for (for example): ☑️Heart problems !! You've lost a lot of extra detail there!

I should have been more clear; this is closer to my intent than what I said. As someone with a few rare health concerns, being sure my doctor knows more than "they checked 'history of cancer'" is very important.

Aug 22, 2018 02:15 Enso 1 Enso

Replying to @bbh (0x18d70b75d71c9b95d2f4a2b434cd677c33b016e1)

I'd just be happy to not have to remember my entire history -- and put it on an awkward form -- every time I visit a new specialist. I get why that data can't be shared doctor <-> doctor, but I'd like to use a private key to sign permission for the new doc to get my file.

I absolutely agree. Thank you for sharing; I'm sure a lot of people share your frustration with the repetitious forms.

Aug 22, 2018 02:05

Replying to @rsb (0x43930da184ff386e55209a7b6284e0ad6053c4e7)

Mike check...1,2...this thing on? Well, I found @shooterjennings on here so it must be pretty cool 🤘

Welcome to Peepeth! And yeah, it was very awesome of @ShooterJennings to shout out Peepeth on Joe Rogan.

Aug 22, 2018 02:03

Replying to @MattJohnson (0x58172a8c86faad1657549cfcdb311e845ddfd22c)

Interesting ideas, @sevvie ! If you’re interested in all the different blockchain projects in healthcare/biomedicine you should check out the open-source database I helped compile: db.biomedicalblockchain.org

Thank you for this! I was mostly thinking aloud, as I'm tackling a number of these problems currently, without the support of investors or external sources.

I have a passion, you might say. ^.^

Aug 22, 2018 02:01

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

Everyone in the country's phones act as validators to the chain, and everyone has a copy of the entire voting record that they could audit for themselves. Votes are signed with the vital records block which acts as the genesis of your medical record blockchain, restricting fraud.

E-voting. Decentralized medical records. Authorship/ownership. Security. Data integrity. Authentication. Individual-contribution economies. These are the blockchain systems I'm working toward.

Cryptocurrency is great. Trustless personal crypto-sovereignty systems are the future.

Aug 22, 2018 01:59

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

Now imagine it's time to vote. Instead of the voting machine being the single record, you connect your phone or tablet to an ad-hoc network at a voting location and your phone "mines" your vote onto a chain shared and validated across the country.

Everyone in the country's phones act as validators to the chain, and everyone has a copy of the entire voting record that they could audit for themselves. Votes are signed with the vital records block which acts as the genesis of your medical record blockchain, restricting fraud.

Aug 22, 2018 01:53

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

When you leave the hospital, your medical record blockchain is held by you, and a segment of that chain is held by the hospital for their own audit records. But the data is never visible on the public internet; it's entirely controlled by you.

Now imagine it's time to vote. Instead of the voting machine being the single record, you connect your phone or tablet to an ad-hoc network at a voting location and your phone "mines" your vote onto a chain shared and validated across the country.

Aug 22, 2018 01:51

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

Imagine walking into a hospital. You connect your phone to an ad-hoc network and with a button-press, sign a request for your records. The vitals monitor acts as a miner, filling in a side-chain with your heart rate & O2 levels. Doctor's computers "mine" their data to your chain.

When you leave the hospital, your medical record blockchain is held by you, and a segment of that chain is held by the hospital for their own audit records. But the data is never visible on the public internet; it's entirely controlled by you.

Aug 22, 2018 01:47

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

We talk about wallets, but I think blockchains will give way to many other "real world" concepts to be easier transferred out of the hands of a central authority and into the ownership of the individual. Wallets. Vital and medical records. Receipts. Decentralize it all.

Imagine walking into a hospital. You connect your phone to an ad-hoc network and with a button-press, sign a request for your records. The vitals monitor acts as a miner, filling in a side-chain with your heart rate & O2 levels. Doctor's computers "mine" their data to your chain.

Aug 22, 2018 01:45 Enso 1 Enso

Replying to @sevvie (0xb9a7922eec475605498ba3c1f7f0aca98585f30a)

A blockchain is not just a data structure; it's a data structure and automated validation network combined. This is what gives it strength, and this is why I have so much interest in developing non-financial blockchains, such as decentralized medical data blockchains.

We talk about wallets, but I think blockchains will give way to many other "real world" concepts to be easier transferred out of the hands of a central authority and into the ownership of the individual.

Wallets. Vital and medical records. Receipts. Decentralize it all.

Aug 22, 2018 01:42

A blockchain is not just a data structure; it's a data structure and automated validation network combined. This is what gives it strength, and this is why I have so much interest in developing non-financial blockchains, such as decentralized medical data blockchains.

Aug 22, 2018 01:39
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